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Do you want the Roe v Wade decision to be overturned?

  1. Yes

    22.2%
  2. No

    63.0%
  3. Don't know, no opinion.

    14.8%
  1. Distant Lover

    Distant Lover Master of Facts

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    With the retirement of Anthony Kennedy from the United States Supreme Court President Trump will nominate a new candidate for the Supreme Court. He has the votes in the Senate to confirm anyone he nominates.

    Since the presidential campaign of 1980 the Republican Party has played the religious right, giving rhetorical support without doing much to advance the agenda of the religious right.

    I have difficulty believing that an enthusiastic practitioner of Hugh Hefner's Playboy Philosophy, who grew up reading Playboy, rather than the Bible, is strongly opposed to legal abortion.

    Nevertheless, during the presidential campaign of 2016 Trump promised Christian conservatives that he would appoint anti Roe justices to the Supreme Court. He knows that he needs that constituency to be re elected. He knows that for most Christian conservatives abortion is the main issue. This is why they have forgiven the President's frequent lapses from strict Biblical morality.

    So let's assume that for once the Republican Party keeps a promise to the religious right and orchestrates the overturn of Roe v Wade. Do you want that to happen, or don't you? Please explain your answer, if you wish to.
     
    1. tenguy
      Why haven't you voted in your own poll? Typical fucking liberal
       
      tenguy, Jun 29, 2018
    2. anon_de_plume
      Every chance to use that word... I do not think you know what it means!
       
      anon_de_plume, Jun 29, 2018
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  2. tenguy

    tenguy Reasoned voice of XNXX

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    No, but I'd like to see it clarified.
     
    1. submissively speaking
      Clarified how?
       
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    2. tenguy
      Too numerous to discuss here.
       
      tenguy, Jun 29, 2018
    3. anon_de_plume
      Not too numerous... Too nonexistent.
       
      anon_de_plume, Jun 29, 2018
    4. tenguy
      Up yours. I did say I didn’t want Roe v Wade overturned, how did you vote? You didn’t vote at all!
       
      tenguy, Jun 29, 2018
    5. anon_de_plume
      I don't do polls... :rolleyes:

      So, how about just one of these clarifications?
       
      anon_de_plume, Jun 29, 2018
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  3. BigSuzyB

    BigSuzyB Porn Star

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    Most people don't care if the U.S wishes to take another step backwards.
     
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    1. anon_de_plume
      That includes Americans.
       
      anon_de_plume, Jun 29, 2018
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  4. NoOneFamous

    NoOneFamous Porn Star

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    I am pro-choice with limitations. A woman needs an abortion because she was raped or has a medical reason? Not a problem. An abortion because you had unprotected sex and a baby would be inconvenient? That I have problems with, but the decision to have an abortion should be between the woman, her doctor and her God. And since we do not live in a theocracy, religion should butt out.
     
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  5. hannahsbigdaddy

    hannahsbigdaddy Stoned Always

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    It should have nothing to do with religion. Killing a baby either way is still not cool.
     
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  6. pussy in boots

    pussy in boots ride em cowgirl up

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    LIBERAL LOGIC.
    do away with death penalty for mass murder.
    Kill thousands of babies in the womb!
     
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      who said do away with the death penalty? I am pro-death penalty.
       
      NoOneFamous, Jun 29, 2018
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  7. msman

    msman Porn Star Banned!

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    I have mixed feelings.
    I think the father should have some say on the abortion of his child.
     
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  8. shootersa

    shootersa Frisky Feline

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    The debate over abortion has raged for almost a century, with little change in either sides approach.
    What it all really comes down to, when the rhetoric is stripped away, is when one believes life begins.

    Pro Choice advocates hold that life does not begin until a fetus can survive outside the womb.
    Pro Life advocates hold that life begins at, or so close to conception, that it doesn't matter.

    Science has advanced since Roe V Wade, so any new landmark cases will certainly include scientific findings that did not exist at the time Roe V Wade was decided. That, more than all the rhetoric and gnashing about the make up of the Supreme Court, or the beliefs of the President, or the protests outside the Supreme Court, will decide what direction the country takes in the future.

    Shooters heart goes out to every woman who has ever been faced with the decision. No matter the reason for their situation or how they resolve it, Shooter believes it is one of the most heart wrenching decisions they are forced to make in their lives. They, more than anyone else, understand just how grave a decision they are forced to make.
     
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  9. conroe4

    conroe4 Lake Lover In XNXX Heaven

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    I believe life begins when the kids move out and the family dog dies.
     
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    1. shootersa
      ! By God, Conroe, you got it!
      Although, the family dog dying was a bit traumatic; put Shooter off his Wheaties for a week or so.
       
      shootersa, Jun 29, 2018
    2. conroe4
      Yeah, it hurt us real bad when our Lab passed...the kids moving out? Well, not so much. I even yelped when I saw the car
      round the corner as they left. My next door neighbor was quite amused when he saw that.
       
      conroe4, Jun 29, 2018
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      Yeah, I hear you, dogs are a conundrum. You love em' but they're a pain in the ass, but you love em' anyway. Then to finish it off they die and break your heart. Kids, on the other hand, are a product of your handiwork. If you were highly skilled in the art of parenting they're pretty much grief free, if however, you didn't give it your all, of course, you'll encounter some grief and in some cases a lot of grief.
       
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  10. Distant Lover

    Distant Lover Master of Facts

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    It would not surprise me at all if Trump pressured women he impregnated to have abortions, if he paid for the abortions, and if they can prove it.

    The debate over Anthony Kennedy's successor may provoke some of those women to come forward with their stories, and their proof.
     
    1. tenguy
      Why don't you offer a reward, like most unsupporters have done for other gossip.
       
      tenguy, Jun 29, 2018
    2. Distant Lover
      I hope Larry Flynt gets on the case, like he did during the impeachment proceedings for Bill Clinton.

      All Flynt needs to do is say, "I will pay you one million dollars if you can prove that Trump impregnated you, pressured you to have an abortion, and paid for it."

      If Flynt does not, some other rich Democrat might, like George Soros.
       
      Distant Lover, Jun 29, 2018
    3. shootersa
      More unsupporter wet dream hopes.

      Consider; if Soros, through one of his surrogates (cause the fucker tries to keep his fingers out of unsavory shit like this), did offer a Million to any woman willing to step forward and "prove" Trump impregnated them and then paid for an abortion he pressured them into, what would be the outcome?

      That's right. Nothing. Just more unsupporter spew and froth.

      First, because the level of "proof" required would be about as high a bar as it would take to defeat Trump in 2020.
      Second, because Trump paying for an abortion a couple of decades ago would have about as much meaning as the color of socks he wore to his high school graduation.
      Third because unsupporters have already spewed out so much irrelevant, inaccurate, plain untrue shit about all things Trump that one more meaningless bit of shit wouldn't mean a thing.
      Fourth, because there is always a fourth.

      Fucking River Dance Bitches
       
      shootersa, Jun 29, 2018
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  11. freethinker

    freethinker Pervy Bear

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    Let the states decide by referendum.
     
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  12. submissively speaking

    submissively speaking Sassochist

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    You think individual states ought to have the authority to decide what women can do and not do with their own bodies? Women in Georgia should be able to live more freely than women in Alabama?
     
    1. freethinker
      I think each state should put it up to the voters in that state. Ideally, it would be left up to the individual, but it is such a divisive issue, I think individual state referendums are the best way to go.
       
      freethinker, Jun 29, 2018
    2. submissively speaking
      I can see why you think it might be easier to let each state decide, but that's not where this issue lies, jurisdictionally.

      This is about a woman's right to decide what happens to her own body. That issue affects every woman. Every single one, equally.
       
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  13. Distant Lover

    Distant Lover Master of Facts

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    The problem with your attitude is that you think your opinion on abortion is so important that it overrides popular opinion.

    Your argument could be turned around this way:

    "You think individual states ought to have the authority to decide rather or not babies are to be killed in the womb? Unborn babies in Georgia should be able to live more securely than unborn babies in Alabama?"

    Abortion is a highly emotional issue. It is also a simple issue. One does not need to be a physician to understand this issue.
     
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  14. submissively speaking

    submissively speaking Sassochist

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    Abortion is a physical issue. The freedom of women to decide what to do with their own bodies is paramount in the issue.

    I’m not emotional about it at all. This is cut-and-dried.

    It’s a woman’s body. She decides what to do with it, including whether or not she will host and bring forth another life.

    I could point out how your society does not give a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut as to what happens to her or that precious life after delivery; that might be emotional.

    But we are talking about women’s authority to inhabit their own bodies as they see fit. Period.

    Now, getting back to the point you raised, which is what I responded to - every woman is equal under the law, yes or no?
     
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  15. anon_de_plume

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    And who exactly are you to make decisions for others?
     
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    2. anon_de_plume
      So you are not conservative and you hate children, Except the unborn?
       
      anon_de_plume, Jun 30, 2018
    3. hannahsbigdaddy
      Ya that's what I said.. Leave it to some jackass to assume. And you know what happens when you assume things? Maybe you should take your views to another page more your speed.
       
      hannahsbigdaddy, Jun 30, 2018
    4. anon_de_plume
      No assumption... Hence the question...

      No matter. You obviously want others to live by your rules, and after they have those children you demand, you will jettison them to a life of Hell.
       
      anon_de_plume, Jun 30, 2018
    5. hannahsbigdaddy
      Hahaha.. Wow. Yup pure hell. Fucking idiots everywhere.
       
      hannahsbigdaddy, Jun 30, 2018
    6. anon_de_plume
      Do look in the mirror sometime...
       
      anon_de_plume, Jun 30, 2018
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  16. Distant Lover

    Distant Lover Master of Facts

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    One could with equal reason say, "The ability to prevent the murder of unborn babies is the paramount in the issue."

    For reasons I will explain eventually I am ambivalent on the issue. Nevertheless, those in favor of legal abortion need to understand that the Roe decision will almost certainly be over turned soon, and abortion will become illegal in much of the United States.
     
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  17. submissively speaking

    submissively speaking Sassochist

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    No, because without the mother, the fetus doesn’t exist.

    This isn’t a chicken-and-egg scenario.

    I’ll ask once again, for the final time.

    Every woman is equal under the law, yes or no?
     
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  18. ladygodiva123

    ladygodiva123 Porn Star

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    Perhaps, but the ultimate decision still has to be the woman's. She's the one carrying the fetus.

     
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      But in a majority of the cases the man has to pay for raising the child.
      If a man is forced to pay for raising a child he should have some say in if there is an abortion.
       
      msman, Jun 30, 2018
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  19. Distant Lover

    Distant Lover Master of Facts

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    A question like that is too vague for me to answer outside of context.
     
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  20. ladygodiva123

    ladygodiva123 Porn Star

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    Actually, Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowsky may not vote for a SCOTUS nomined who is ardently anti-choice.

    The thing that bothers me the most with the whole abortion debate is that it primarily affects poor women. Rich and even middle class women can afford to travel to another state or even another country to obtain a safe, legal abortion. Poor women cannot.

    Considering that financial hardship is mentioned as a reason for over half of all abortions in the US, I find this unbearably cruel. It's cruel to the poor women who have to choose between a risky illegal abortion abd bringing another child into the world to live in poverty.

    Did you know that 50% of all school children in the US qualify for free or reduced cost lunch? The "pro-life" folks apparently want that number to go up. As Surgeon General Joycelyn Elders said "We must stop this love affair with the fetus."

     
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