VN Ren'Py Our Red String [Ch.13.3.4] [Eva Kiss]

ekroniuk said:

1. Ivy puts photo from Axel apartment on her Peoplegram and "accidentally" forgets to tell about it to Lena, although she could definitely predict her friend's reaction
2. Ivy pushes Lena to work with Axel
3. Ivy doesn't come with Lena to Axel, although she knew how awkward it would be for her. And "accidentally" she can come after they finished the photoshoot.
4. In the gym when talking with Lena Ivy "accidentally" tells Lena that nothing happened, right? wink, wink, nudge, nudge
5. Ivy wants Lena to keep fucking Axel, even when she realizes that she looked really happy with Ian.

Ivy is many things, but she isn't an idiot and she knows Lena well.
If it rattles like a snake and slithers like a snake, is it a snake?

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Adding on the second point, Ivy was also pushing for Lena to call Axel. I have this feeling she knew he was going to manipulate her, and the only reason Ivy didn't tell Axel where Lena was living was so it would look like she's on her side.

omg snake ivy is the best just imagin the the conflict between ivy and cindy over wildcats ivy will be so mean I really wanna see what ivy is doing when she is angry and mad this will be so damm wild and hot cindy/ivy two women both dont wanna lose,both always get what they want and somebody has to lose this will be war the drama has INSANE potential

I can imagin that ivy is pushing her into axels arms or doing some mean shit on photoshots like secretly without cindys knoledge making up a nacked photoshot with 2 guys or something mean mean ivy is so fucking hot ivy should have a godess stalkfap with goon,jerk instruction and hypno videos goddamm

ekroniuk said:

1. Ivy puts photo from Axel apartment on her Peoplegram and "accidentally" forgets to tell about it to Lena, although she could definitely predict her friend's reaction

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Or perhaps she didn't tell Lena precisely because she knew her friend didn't want to hear anything about her ex-boyfriend at that moment. What would be the point of this? "Hey look, this is a photo of me in Axel's apartment." You'd need to be really socially dense to think it's a good idea.

2. Ivy pushes Lena to work with Axel
3. Ivy doesn't come with Lena to Axel, although she knew how awkward it would be for her. And "accidentally" she can come after they finished the photoshoot.

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Ivy advised Lena to work with Axel after Lena told her that she and Axel talked things out and both moved on. As far as she could tell at this point, it was perfectly reasonable advice. And yes, she got stuck and wasn't able to arrive at the arranged time, but again, as far as she's told, that's nothing to freak over. Lena and Axel are allegedly on friendly terms.

4. In the gym when talking with Lena Ivy "accidentally" tells Lena that nothing happened, right? wink, wink, nudge, nudge

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Or it's a simple and genuine question. Again, as far as Ivy knows, Lena and Axel have both moved on, and Lena has no interest in sex with Axel -- she potentially has a new boyfriend and also repeatedly told Ivy she doesn't want any relationship with Axel.

It's not so much a "wink wink nudge nudge" but "But nothing happened, right, you've told me yourself you don't want him, so why are you busting my proverbial balls over simply being late?"

5. Ivy wants Lena to keep fucking Axel, even when she realizes that she looked really happy with Ian.

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Ivy tells Lena she doesn't have to freak out so much over sleeping with Axel, or feel so guilty about still wanting his cock. If she wants, she can sleep with him and Ian both. Which is true. It's something for Lena to decide, Ivy isn't Ian's keeper.

Ivy is many things, but she isn't an idiot and she knows Lena well.
If it rattles like a snake and slithers like a snake, is it a snake?

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Given that Ivy isn't an idiot then why would she want to be a "snake" for her best friend? If she wanted to mess Lena's life then she gets many more opportunities, like spiking her drink with drugs when Lena tells her she doesn't want any. But instead she respects Lena's choice. So, if she demonstrates that she does care and respect what Lena wants, why do you presume she'd act exactly opposite?

I'm not saying your theory is impossible, but it'd be very much an asspull given what overall we're shown when it comes to Lena/Ivy. As it is, Ivy is a fairly rare sort of character, someone who is sexually open but respectful of others and actual good friend. Turning her into mustache twirling villain would be quite a disappointment, because these are dime a dozen and there's at least two in ORS alone already.

ffive said:

Or perhaps she didn't tell Lena precisely because she knew her friend didn't want to hear anything about her ex-boyfriend at that moment. What would be the point of this? "Hey look, this is a photo of me in Axel's apartment." You'd need to be really socially dense to think it's a good idea.


Ivy advised Lena to work with Axel after Lena told her that she and Axel talked things out and both moved on. As far as she could tell at this point, it was perfectly reasonable advice. And yes, she got stuck and wasn't able to arrive at the arranged time, but again, as far as she's told, that's nothing to freak over. Lena and Axel are allegedly on friendly terms.


Or it's a simple and genuine question. Again, as far as Ivy knows, Lena and Axel have both moved on, and Lena has no interest in sex with Axel -- she potentially has a new boyfriend and also repeatedly told Ivy she doesn't want any relationship with Axel.

It's not so much a "wink wink nudge nudge" but "But nothing happened, right, you've told me yourself you don't want him, so why are you busting my proverbial balls over simply being late?"


Ivy tells Lena she doesn't have to freak out so much over sleeping with Axel, or feel so guilty about still wanting his cock. If she wants, she can sleep with him and Ian both. Which is true. It's something for Lena to decide, Ivy isn't Ian's keeper.


Given that Ivy isn't an idiot then why would she want to be a "snake" for her best friend? If she wanted to mess Lena's life then she gets many more opportunities, like spiking her drink with drugs when Lena tells her she doesn't want any. But instead she respects Lena's choice. So, if she demonstrates that she does care and respect what Lena wants, why do you presume she'd act exactly opposite?

I'm not saying your theory isn't impossible, but it'd be very much an asspull given what overall we're shown when it comes to Lena/Ivy. As it is, Ivy is a fairly rare sort of character, someone who is sexually open but respectful of others and actual good friend. Turning her into mustache twirling villain would be quite a disappointment, because these are dime a dozen and there's at least two in ORS alone already.

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mate mate mate perhaps gillian never cheated on ian she just accidentally slipped and landet on a cock nothing to worry about think about that

ekroniuk said:

If it rattles like a snake and slithers like a snake, is it a snake?

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XCOM Viper on a date night
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mommysboiii said:

mate mate mate perhaps gillian never cheated on ian she just accidentally slipped and landet on a cock nothing to worry about think about that

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I believe NTR'd by Clumsiness is based on this exact premise.

Turret said:

XCOM Viper on a date night

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too be honest this kinda has similarities with ivy lol

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I cant unsee it know even the long ass tounge of ivyy she actually is a snakeee

ffive said:

I believe NTR'd by Clumsiness is based on this exact premise.

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too be honest most ntr games have this problems off unrealistic plotlines and nonsens even if I think the kink can be extremly hot if done right but you need to have a insanely skilled writter to pull that off sadly has the same problem like harem games

mommysboiii said:

too be honest this kinda has similarities with ivy lol

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Which is the reason I chose this depiction of an XCOM viper

Turret said:

XCOM Viper on a date night

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Xcom Quimera Squad!

ekroniuk said:

Ivy during talk in the toilet suggest to Lena that she can keep cheating on Ian with Axel (supposedly she hates cheaters). She did it on purpose, I'm almost certain.

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ffive said:

Ivy tells Lena she doesn't have to freak out so much over sleeping with Axel, or feel so guilty about still wanting his cock. If she wants, she can sleep with him and Ian both. Which is true. It's something for Lena to decide, Ivy isn't Ian's keeper.

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Remember that Ivy hates being in a relationship. She thinks it limits people from having fun and experiment freely, so it's no surprise Ivy doesn't think much of Lena cheating on Ian. Hell, her response to Lena being a homewrecker (Mike route) is basically "You go, girl!".

mommysboiii said:

too be honest most ntr games have this problems off unrealistic plotlines and nonsens even if I think the kink can be extremly hot if done right but you need to have a insanely skilled writter to pull that off sadly has the same problem like harem games

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Some hentai are absolutely ruthless when it comes to how realistic their NTR scenarios are.

Defenestrator.for.traitor said:

Stan: A genuine creep. Louise right about him more or less. If you treat him kindly he becomes more and more creepy. I hope he won't become dangerous to Lena or Lousie.

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Stan is definitely a pervert, but he is no rapist. If he were going to rape Louise or Lena he would have done so by now. He had the opportunity during the one photoshoot to stick his cock in Lena. You are right he does jerk off to them both especially Lena, and that can definitely be considered creepy, but because he had the willpower to not try to fuck Lena during his most recent photoshoot with her shows he is not a rapist. So he is definitely a pervert, but not a rapist.

His biggest problem is that he looks like himself. I think Axel is a much bigger threat to Lena than Stan is in terms of "Potential Rapist". Because, Axel can get away with that shit since he is a "Chad".

Axel shows even worse behavior than Stan as at his last photoshoot with Lena if she says no and to stop he keeps going anyways and she won't stop him if she she has masturbated to him since the breakup.

seaoflove said:

Stan is definitely a pervert, but he is no rapist. If he were going to rape Louise or Lena he would have done so by now. He had the opportunity during the one photoshoot to stick his cock in Lena. You are right he does jerk off to them both especially Lena, and that can definitely be considered creepy, but because he had the willpower to not try to fuck Lena during his most recent photoshoot with her shows he is not a rapist. So he is definitely a pervert, but not a rapist.

His biggest problem is that he looks like himself. I think Axel is a much bigger threat to Lena than Stan is in terms of "Potential Rapist". Because, Axel can get away with that shit since he is a "Chad".

Axel shows even worse behavior than Stan as at his last photoshoot with Lena if she says no and to stop he keeps going anyways and she won't stop him if she she has masturbated to him since the breakup.

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Have to agree. Axel is a manipulative stalker and my Lena has been keeping away from that asshole the whole game, same for Seymour who is just Axel but older and with more money.

Stanley is just a sad and a bit creepy nerd (altought Lena can rile him up with the photoshops).

seaoflove said:

Stan is definitely a pervert, but he is no rapist. If he were going to rape Louise or Lena he would have done so by now. He had the opportunity during the one photoshoot to stick his cock in Lena. You are right he does jerk off to them both especially Lena, and that can definitely be considered creepy, but because he had the willpower to not try to fuck Lena during his most recent photoshoot with her shows he is not a rapist. So he is definitely a pervert, but not a rapist.

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He might've held back when he thought Lena liked him and would accept his sword. But after she turned him down? All bets are off. Especially if she wasn't nice about it.

He doesn't have guts to do it openly, but i wouldn't discount some attempt at drugging either of them, or whatever. After all, half of porn games here and on his hard drive teach that it's perfectly okay. /s

ffive said:

He might've held back when he thought Lena liked him and would accept his sword. But after she turned him down? All bets are off. Especially if she wasn't nice about it.

He doesn't have guts to do it openly, but i wouldn't discount some attempt at drugging either of them, or whatever. After all, half of porn games here and on his hard drive teach that it's perfectly okay. /s

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I don't think he will go full on "Rape Mode" at any point. I could definitely see the girls finding him hanging by himself hanging by a noose.

Multiple characters in GGGB were capable of being driven to suicide. If you treated your dad in that game like shit eventually he necks himself. If you bully Eva to maximum she eventually kills herself.

Stan is a very likely candidate for joining that camp with certain paths. In the last game 2 people could be driven to suicide. One male, one female.

I think stan is the male that may be able to be driven to suicide. Most players will be like "Meh" when he finally necks himself. He is not a fan favorite.

That leaves an open candidate for a female who can be driven to suicide. I think the most likely contender for that is Holly sadly. Because that will hit people in the feels the hardest. She is already very antisocial with low self esteem. Throw in some heart break, and betrayal, and maybe she will wind up dead too.

The only flaw in this theory is Lena at no point is allowed to hurt Holly's feelings significantly and Lena always blocks herself from getting with Holly if she knows Holly is with Ian or if Lena herself is with Ian.

The other thing I think might happen is Seymour might find a way for Lena to help him setup some trap for Emma. Similar to Aruthor and did with Iris in GGGB. Perhaps offer Lena a boob job, or a new car or a big wad of cash to make it happen or perhaps even threaten her if on the blackmail route.

Can someone explain to me what a "cuck path" for Ian is and how do you access it exactly?

I know what "cuck" means, it's just I always assumed it applies to Jeremy sending Ian his pics and vids, not to Lena (I knew you can be like sex friends with her and be okay with her onlyfans, but not that you can be in a literal cuck relationship with her).

Tyrant07 said:

Can someone explain to me what a "cuck path" for Ian is and how do you access it exactly?

I know what "cuck" means, it's just I always assumed it applies to Jeremy sending Ian his pics and vids, not to Lena (I knew you can be like sex friends with her and be okay with her onlyfans, but not that you can be in a literal cuck relationship with her).

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At this point he doesn't literally get cucked, though she can cheat on him with Axel. The cuck route refers to when Ian says Lenas onlyfans showing herself to other men turns him on and when Ian asks Lena about the other dicks she's had while getting an unenthusiastic handjob, this dialogue also changes if Lena has slept with Axel and/or Robert

Lena pregnant plz

seaoflove said:

Stan is definitely a pervert, but he is no rapist. If he were going to rape Louise or Lena he would have done so by now. He had the opportunity during the one photoshoot to stick his cock in Lena. You are right he does jerk off to them both especially Lena, and that can definitely be considered creepy, but because he had the willpower to not try to fuck Lena during his most recent photoshoot with her shows he is not a rapist. So he is definitely a pervert, but not a rapist.

His biggest problem is that he looks like himself. I think Axel is a much bigger threat to Lena than Stan is in terms of "Potential Rapist". Because, Axel can get away with that shit since he is a "Chad".

Axel shows even worse behavior than Stan as at his last photoshoot with Lena if she says no and to stop he keeps going anyways and she won't stop him if she she has masturbated to him since the breakup.

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I am on board with you about Axel and Seymour, though Seymour probably not go as far as rape or something. His type is manipulate people to do what he asks. Think about the contract, he showed the contract so acceptable Lena can say yes even though she hates him. He enjoys bringing people onto their knees without forcing them. Axel has the potential of doing everything.

For Stan though, you are missing a point. People reach that point step by step, masturbating your roommates' pictures is a huge step towards there. He definitely has the potential to do bad things.

seaoflove said:

That leaves an open candidate for a female who can be driven to suicide. I think the most likely contender for that is Holly sadly. Because that will hit people in the feels the hardest. She is already very antisocial with low self esteem. Throw in some heart break, and betrayal, and maybe she will wind up dead too.

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Defenestrator.for.traitor said:

I am on board with you about Axel and Seymour, though Seymour probably not go as far as rape or something. His type is manipulate people to do what he asks. Think about the contract, he showed the contract so acceptable Lena can say yes even though she hates him. He enjoys bringing people onto their knees without forcing them. Axel has the potential of doing everything.

For Stan though, you are missing a point. People reach that point step by step, masturbating your roommates' pictures is a huge step towards there. He definitely has the potential to do bad things.

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Seymour blows tens of thousands of dollars on some random girl, takes her to fancy dinners, and gifts her expensive shit like clothes and jewelry. He adds whatever clause Lena wants in the contract if she's smart enough to bring it up, no questions asked. He even cancels their scheduled shoot when he learns she has to visit her family and pushes her to follow her creative dreams. All of this just to NOT get his dick wet so far. If anything, I feel Seymour is the victim here. He's the sugar daddy every IG 'model' dreams to exploit.

It will be funny if Eva throws a curve ball and later reveals Seymour is not some dangerous entity of corruption regarding Lena but a hardcore simp like Stan. Regardless, I expect there will be an option for Lena to take advantage of him using his own methods.